You must have weapon use as a major factor in your character's aproach to fighting. You must either have extra attack or use the SCAG cantrips. You are making this far too complicated and I am not sure why it matters but since you are really wanting it this is what I would go with. If you are wanting a class that casts and fights with weapons paladin is a great class but not a traditional gish (not due to quality more due to a technicality). Of course that does not mean much outside of tradition. Is a paladin with elemental weapon and smite enough to claim to be a GISH, or is he/she just a paladin?Traditionally no the paladin would not be a gish because it does not have wizard (or similar) type spells. I've been playing a sorcerer multiclass and metamagic is lots of fun. I'm only asking this question as it comes up a lot. ![]() Still if you do not care about tradition they do fit the general bill of "caster that can fight with weapons effectively". Traditionally these were not considered gishes because they were not wizardly type casters and those classes could always attack with weapons and cast spells so the idea of building a gish from them never really existed. ![]() Some classes like paladins and clerics are similar in concept in that they can hit things with weapons and cast spells. Valor bards lean caster but are also skill monkeys. Sorcs would count towards this and if we go by tradition bards probably should too.Įldritch Knight fighters would lean toward the warrior side. To be traditional the spells being cast should be similar to wizard spells not clerical. Honestly though really the important part as far as the name should go is that a gish is a character that is an effective warrior and that can cast a fair number of spells (enough to feel like they are a spellcaster even if it is only part time). ![]() It was harder back then to get casting while wearing good armor though (well in 2e anyway in 1e most multiclassing fighter/wizards could cast in armor). Buffing was still a good option though but you were more likely to see both. In AD&D a fighter/mage was more likely to blast than in 3e due to blasting being much better back then. Spell choice was often buffing oriented because that was generally the better way to go. Then you would have casting classes that could fight like the duskbade that were like a gish but there were many people that would not count it because it did not get good enough casting (it only got a limited number of up to 5th level spells but they did get that channeling ability to attack and cast a spell as a standard action). Way back in the day it just referred to the githyanki fighter/wizard multiclass and it got spun off as a D&D shorthand for warrior wizards that could cast and fight.Īs previously mentioned on 3e boards you tended to see only those that got +16 BAB and 9th level spells (or close to it) as being true gishes. Or is just using BB/GFB constitute the beginning is 5th level spells where a GISH comes into its own. Is there a spell level needed? Or spell? I like hold monster. ![]() Is it just wearing armor or having a really high AC. Is the ability to use a quickened spell or war magic or improved war magic needed. Now is just having magic weapon, elemental weapon, divine favor, etc the basis for a GISH I'm guessing the "normal wizard" could use misty step and firebolt Normally a spell eats up that action, but with a bonus action spell you can use a cantrip that is an action. Pre-buffing in 5E is almost impossible as spells range from 1minute, to 10 minutes, to hours.Ĥ. You have movement, an action, and a possible bonus action and maybe a reactionģ. You can only focus one concentration spell at a timeĢ. Is it some magic and melee attacks? Or a combination of both?ġ. The term GISH is thrown around a lot in 5E, and past editions as well.īut what exactly is everyone looking for?
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